In answering this myself as the interviewer I would say: A transformational change is a change that makes one start a completely different lifestyle. One where the person is so certain that what he/she is doing on the deepest level is right and for good that there is no room for fear, or wrong actions and decisions. All actions are completely in tune with the rest of the universe. This is my understanding; I am interested in hearing yours.

BeiYin: What you are saying describes a possible result of a transformational change but not what it is by itself. Indeed, a 'transformational change’ will have significant results, that will turn out and show in ones lifestyle, behavior and well being. There might be no fear anymore, as fear is a reaction coming from ones unconscious background and this might be cleared up. Now how does this transformational change happen and what is it? If ice melts and becomes water, then this is a transformational change. If waste goes into the compost and what comes out is good earth, or if a seed grows and becomes a plant, or a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, then this we might understand as a transformational change.

The problem with human's mind is that real ‘understanding’ is not possible, unless one has passed this transformational change oneself, because real understanding includes ones whole being and not just the mind. The usual is that understanding is felt when a happening or condition fits to an established concept so that it is confirmed. When this happens then the individual feels satisfied and content, because being identified with ones concepts, then feels confirmed in ones existence. That's the main reason why people seek for exchange, what in deed is no real exchange, but just a confirmation game, although it is felt as communication. Of course the emotions are mostly involved when being confirmed and heighten the excitement and happiness.

The possession even of the best concept for self growth might hinder the realization of it and any real change, because the individual does not want such a change and will do everything to avoid it, not being conscious about this fact. Concepts do a good job in this and there is no end in this kind of pseudo understanding.

Question: I don't understand, even though I can sense there is something... Can you explain this more?

BeiYin: So whatever I might explain, it will be added to ones already stored concepts and this will not help to further any real ‘transformational change’. So that means that I should better shut up and refuse to talk about it, because whatever I might express will be used to add to ones concepts, confirming the already established or if this is not possible then what I say will be rejected.

Question: Can't you give an example how it can be that one has a good self growth concept and then can't realize this?

BeiYin: The only thing I can say now is to point out why it is so difficult that there happens a ‘transformational change’. If I would give you an example, that would be very easy, as humans function through their conceptual thinking, but if I would give you an example, then people who has made this concept to their own, would jump on me because they would feel offended and will defend their wonderful concept that gives them such a good feeling, sense and fulfillment, or at least keeps them busy. So I better hold back, I don't want to provoke an other war.

Question: Yes I see, but you can say what the reason is why the whole thing is so complicate and tricky?

BeiYin: It has to do with our ‘Personality’, that what we believe we are. This is not specifically ‘human’ because also animals have it, but humans are totally identified with it and that's what makes it so extremely difficult to go beyond it. Apart of that nobody wants really to go beyond it. The system of 'personality’, like all systems, wants to keep itself together, for sure not wanting to lose itself, instead of this the personality is trying to gain more and more, whatever this might be: Property on all levels, security on all levels, power on all levels, etc. If there is property, then there is power. Property not only on the material level, although the tendency in our society puts the most importance on this, but after this comes the intellectual property. If one is rich, then one has the possibility to manipulate others and this will serve to get even richer. The same with intellectual properties: one can manipulate others and make them to followers or make that they do what one wants. There is no end and one can never get enough. Do you think those people want a ‘transformational change’? So then who might want it? Probably nobody. For example: The professionals in spiritual matters like the churches and religious organizations. What are they doing? They offer concepts and rituals. This is enough to keep people as followers and keep them quiet. Churches are still among the richest companies in the world, beside the pharmaceutics and war multis.

Question: I agree in this, but what about all those professionals, experts in 'transformational change'?

BeiYin: Experts for psychological changes: They have their techniques to treat people, make a good living from it and if they can't help to make a change happen with their personal engagement then they prescribe medication: Prozac, etc. Do you think they are interested in a ‘transformational change’? Probably they have not even an idea what this might be as they are mostly stuck in their sophisticated personality. So… Politicians: For sure they are not interested in any ‘transformational change’; this is so obvious when we
look at them that we don't need to say anything about it. Although there has been a few in human history who had the intention, but they were killed because of this or they were eaten up by the resistance of the system.
Medical doctors: There might be a few interested, but what happens is that they are mainly stuck in their way of thinking, mainly only interested in treating symptoms by prescribing medication. That's their education they have received…
Are there individuals among those professionals they might be interested in a ‘transformational change’ for themselves? Probably not, because they use their professional knowledge as part of their personality to be confirmed in their existence and if they can combine for example the knowledge from psychology with spiritual concepts then they are absolutely unbeatable and any ‘transformational change’ is kept out forever, well, not forever, but for quite some time. Why? Because whatever might happen and whatever challenge shows up, it will be successfully rejected and put in its place where it belongs. One's superiority will stay untouched. Change might happen always, because adaptation is necessary and wanted for ones personality, but for sure no ‘transformational change’.

Question: Yes, I know that ‘I’ don't want to give up and ‘I’ don't want to know about the possibility that ‘I am’ still hanging on with an intellectual concept or other kind of trick - fooling myself. So then my other question is what is the yardstick that we can use to measure ourselves - in an independent way without needing an authority to tell us - if there might be something currently needing transformation?

BeiYin: Dropping one concept in exchange for another one is not a ‘transformational change’. But if you become aware that you are identified with your concepts and getting your feeling of existence out of it, then this might be the beginning...
Of course we are fooling ourselves and we are clinging using all kind of tricks. All and every thing turns around the ‘I’. - - -
If you can measure yourself? You can't, there isn't such a ‘stick’. You can measure the amount of property you have gathered but hardly the position of your personal evolution. Yes, there are some tests where you can measure your state of personal growth and enlightenment. That's another game to give you confirmation. Once you have passed a real transformational change, then you will be capable to measure things happening in your personality and the one of others. At this moment you only can do what feels right in your daily circumstances, knowing that this is not a measure, but the only way to do it, because your feeling of what is right is still too much influenced by yourself: your needs, your wishes, your dreams, your self image, your concepts, your unconscious background. But if you sensitively are aware then you will observe yourself and discover the tricks you are using, again being aware that with this you are going into another game, etc. Your own reactions to what shows up in daily life from your surrounding and from people are the best measure, if you are aware of this and observe and reflect about it, that's all.
So better relax and trust that finally it will come to an end. Remember that all being has an inbuilt growing force and so also humans and this force will guide you the shortest way possible if you allow this... Be aware of your reactions, these show you where you resist, what means you will not react anymore when your background has been cleared up, more you can't do. And then a ‘transformational change’ might happen because it is already happening. (The road one goes, the walking by itself is the goal...)

Question: It seems to me that it is a good thing for any individual to have some kind of change, especially to bring one more in touch with ones spiritual side.

BeiYin: “Some kind of change?” Is there a real change? Or is there just a change in concepts? Does it make any difference if somebody is killed because of materialistic reasons or killed because of religious reasons? For the killed people for sure it will not make any difference, although the religious motivation might give more strength to the killer... Again: Their strong concept!
What is the ‘spiritual side’ of a person? This seems to be part of an image and so has little or nothing to do with ‘spirituality’.

Question: Then let me call it ‘self growth’. Isn't this a spiritual learning process?

BeiYin: Let me give an example, although this contains dynamite: I am observing a ‘very spiritual person’, that's how she calls herself, and she is in a strong ‘spiritual transformational process’. At least that's what she believes... Probably this is not real, but this person is totally involved in it, strongly identified with some good spiritual concepts and obviously believes that she is nearly enlightened. But her daily life behavior showing up in her reactions are still totally unconscious and to such an extreme, that no communication is possible, what means she is not able to receive any critique or advice. It is obvious that she is 'pretending', but she's not at all conscious about it. One can see it how she still is doing this old game of provoking reactions in another person and then using the situation to react even stronger and of course finding a reason for this and giving the fault to the other. Trying to draw the other into arguing: to win the game. If this doesn't work, because one doesn't join this game, then getting into a desperate situation with the need to pull the emergency brake. You see, it is much more complicated and the ‘personality’ owns a huge arsenal of tricky ways to defend itself. There seems to be no limitation, but there is: There happens an inner blockage where no trick will help to find ones ‘self confirmation’. This works like a kind of ‘guardian of the threshold’ and keeps the door close for every body who is not ready. There is no trick possible and always turns the pretending person back to oneself. So the last trick might be to end in total ‘craziness’ (alcohol
often helps in this) to save oneself. Pretty absurd and sad, but it works...
You mentioned ‘self growth’. This is a very diffuse and tricky word, because it can be used and is understood quite differently. It sounds positive and promising and can be interpreted individually from ones own need, so it is used as an effective marketing name to sell products and services and these serve exclusively personality purposes mainly to make money, a game that supports personality on both sides. Of course nobody wants and is capable to look behind, this is just natural and part of human nature.

Question: Knowing that whatever one does, that this is a ‘turning around oneself’ and a strengthening of ones personality, so isn't there a way, without forcing oneself or falling into the traps of salesmen, that one can do something not to trick oneself again and again?

BeiYin: Yes there is and it is not a concept, it is something practical we can do for and within our daily life and the best is that we can do it alone and without depending on anybody's help.
Here it comes: As we are getting into stress because we must constantly defend our precious personality with all its properties: Ones self image, beliefs, opinions, knowledge, concepts, etc. and these properties are constantly influenced and somehow attacked, because the daily reality doesn't fit completely, so then stress is caused and accumulated. Now this accumulated stress is used by ones personality to keep ones games going, causing all kind of conflicts and problematic situations, included disease and a lot of suffering.
Stress is a kind of super fuel, it burns and destroys. So the most effective way to end ones games, is to take off and out this kind of produced and stored energy. You won't belief it, but this can be done by a simple daily exercise. I call it 'StressReleaseExercise' and I am talking about it in detail in my special audio about it where I have also given complete advice how to do it.

Question: One last question: I am searching to get out of the trap of my personality and I want to avoid going into tricking myself or being drawn into games by salesmen. What can I do apart of the mentioned exercise, to distinguish from all what is offered what is a real help and what is not?

BeiYin: My suggestion is to be very critical with every thing you need to buy, most of it is fake anyway. The real help you will receive for free because it is available around you in your daily life, you only need to be open for it. The helper who points this out will not charge you for it. Listen to my audio about abundance, this will give you some hints.
Go and get out of dependencies - take self responsibility! That's the best way to avoid any kind of tricks, from others and yourself.

Author's Bio: 

BeiYin is the founder of 'FalconBlanco' a healing and retreat center on the island Ibiza in Spain. (New permanent members are welcome!)